You can start with .223 Rem brass, and just size down the necks with a neck-bushing die. The case and bullet are completely captured by the die prior to the bullet being pushed straight into the case by a close-fitting seating stem. Bullets used include, from left: Barnes 26-grain Varmint Grenade, Hornady 32-grain V-MAX, Sierra 32-grain BlitzKing, Berger 35-grain Varmint, Sierra 39-grain BlitzKing, Hornady 40-grain V-MAX. Like the 6PPC, it has the optimal bore to case capacity ratio for max efficiency. All this adds up to economy as light bullets cost less than heavy ones, and small charges stretch powder budgets satisfyingly. To reach those numbers with a .22-caliber bullet, one must exceed 60 grains in weight. A special thanks goes to Todd Kindler, whose hard work over the years has brought the merits of sub-caliber cartridges to the attention of the general shooting community. The only way I can think of that the expander would rub, before the bushing has touched the neck, would be the neck wall is so thick it can't expand enough to make the hole in the neck as big as the diameter of the bullet when fired. This McGowan barrel shoots pretty well with the 32g Noslers HP, and WC844. yes they will fit. Robert Whitley (AR-X Enterprises, LLC.) All Type-S dies use an interchangeable bushing to control neck diameter and tension to an increment of 0.001. When it came to powders, a bakers dozen that had been given some play in published data was selected. (Photo is 100% scale.) Brownell's has a .20 Hornady seater die, in stock, for $29.99 - look for Hornady dies/die sets for any/all .20 calibers. While researching on how to make the brass, it seems everyone talks about using a Redding 223 FL die set with bushings and a 204 decapping rod assembly. Here is a five shot with brass ran through the die again, and a 5 shot with brass out of the bag @ 27.5g of WC844 with the 32g Noslers, out of my 18" barrel. Some versions have slightly less body taper as well--it's wise to compare reamer prints. The latest, the Redding, Type S Elite die set is also a direct result of customer feedback and is available for 85 different cartridges. Was this page helpful? REDDING 20 TACTICAL FORM #1 DIE CUSTOM Quantity: Read 3 Reviews Customers Who Bought This Also Bought HORNADY 17c (.172) 20gr V-MAX BULLET 100/BX Our Price: $23.29 $0.23 per piece In Stock Item #: HRN21710 HORNADY MICROJUST SEATING STEM Our Price: $34.99 In Stock Item #: HRN044090 HORNADY 20c (.204) 32gr V-MAX BULLET 100/BX Our Price: $23.29 These are available in Flat-Base, Short Boat-tail, and Full Boat-tail designs in weights ranging from 30 to 50 grains. Do you mean the ball drags on the way in after its been sized with the .233, or that fired brass drags on the way in when you use the .226 bushing? The regular form and trim die 83660 will not help. Of course it did rain the next day. selling ammunition, reloading supplies and accessories. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Why? Ok, so I thought I would go ahead and get my Redding dies and bushings so I can start forming brass while I'm getting money together for the rest of my .20 Practical build. I wouldnt Count them out just because its not on their website. With the right load, you can get Max velocities with 32- and 40-grainers that give up little or nothing to the .204 Ruger. For example, the Hornady 40-grain V-MAX has a published BC of .275; that of the Sierra 39-grain BlitzKing is .287. Less than 5 in stock Item #: RED78660 REDDING 20 TAC TYPE-S ELITE BUSHING 3-DIE SET . I see Hornady makes dies for the 20 Tactical, but then do you need the form die? When first acquainted with the .20 Tactical some years ago, I was provided loads by Black Hills using TAC powder from Western Powders Ramshot line, Hornady 32-grain V-MAX or Sierra 39-grain BlitzKing bullets, all in Winchester cases. The decapper you listed is for a regular size die, not the type s. Sinclair has all this stuff. Free shipping for many products! . Upon return, we bead blast, hand polish, inspect and process for shipping so please ensure you factor in the turnaround time when ordering. by Redding Reloading Equipment.All Rights Reserved. You must log in or register to reply here. Posts: 781 A search here could bring up lots of good data, no expert but I'll give you my 2 cents. Specialty Parts. We have found the best method to make Custom dies is to use your firedbrass from the rifles chamber. Although not necessary, annealing tends to help the fire-forming process and extends the life of the brass a bit.Lapua Tactical 20 Brass Is HereLapua-brand Tactical 20 brass has arrived in the USA, and is available through Dakota Arms, Graf & Sons and other retailers. Before putting too much stock in what size bushing everyone lists measure your brass. The past few years you have seen the introduction of many new sets like the National Match, Master Hunter and the Premiums as a result of changing trends in the category and stated desires of the customer base. Bushings are available in hardened steel but also are available with a TIN (Titanium Nitride) coating for even greater lubricity. Recently picked one up and want to make some more loads than what it came with. The Redding form-and-trim die is on the left, with a new micrometer adjustable seating stem for the bullet seating die. With the Hornady dies, you don't need anything else. Although we have heard no complaint about the Berger bullets no being explosive enough, polymer tip bullets (Hornady and Sierra) tend to be more explosive than the Berger, but maybe not quite as accurate. 20 Tactical - maybe a slight velocity edge over 20 Practical due to steeper shoulder, longer neck, (Lapua) factory brass (supposedly) available, off-the-shelf dies available; possibly not as smooth feeding as 20 Practical.204 Ruger - available off-the-shelf ammo, available (Winchester) factory brass, probable velocity edge over 20 Practical/20 . Redding had .20 Tactical dies in stock along with a form-and-trim die for making cases from .223 Remington brass. Once the entire batch is made, we send them out to be hardened via a carburized heat treat process to ensure a lifetime of use. There was some hope Lapua would produce 20 VarTarg brass for Dakota Arms, but that deal is off the table. Most 20 VarTarg shooters are satisfied with the quality (and price), so long as the Rem brass is weight-sorted and prepped before loading. How does the size of the bushing affect it, on the way in? I like their 223 barrels. True Boat-Tail bullets normally have less bearing surface area than Flat-Base bullets of the same weight. $24.33. 20 Practical Ultimate Varminter $1435.00. You can easily make 20 practical dies out of .204 Ruger dies by grinding or turning about .100 off the Base of the dies. See page 13 for additional information on crimp dies. #2666026 - 04/01/14 08:14 AM Re: Forming 20 practical with RCBS Dies/equipment [ Re: dogduster204 ] You have to use the bushing die so you can neck down to 20 cal.It takes more than one step so you need to change size of bushing and your regular 223 die cant do that. The lighter .20-caliber bullets can be propelled faster too, depending on the cartridge involved. Low noise derived from relatively small powder charges in small capacity cases coupled with long barrels plays well in settled areas and among farmers who would prefer to keep things down to a roar. What started as a small dream has become a multi-million dollar international business The middle two are 20 Tactical (39gr TNT and 40gr V-Max), 223 on the right. This reduces the neck diameter slightly. The VarTarg may be the smallest 20-Caliber cartridge in our survey, but it comes up big in efficiency. Check out the Load Map below and you'll see that the diminutive VarTarg pushes the 32gr pills up into the 3750+ fps range with much less powder than is used by the .204 Ruger or 20 BR. dies are supplied with both the standard size button and a decapping pin retainer for the advantages and versatility described under our Type S - Bushing Style Neck Sizing Dies. Among ball, or spherical, powders, Id have to give the nod to Accurate 2230 and 2520 with Ramshot X-Terminator and Hodgdon H-335 trailing, but not by much. Both have rifle length gas systems if I am at the bench I like the 26 much better if I am in the RZR I like the 20". While most of these bullets are designed for varminting, many target shooters are using the 40-50 grain bullets with considerable success. The rifle's forend is ventilated to assist in barrel cooling, a nice touch on a varmint rifle. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine, http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-eqsku=749-002-388, http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-eqsku=749-002-155. Thank you for the help. Since wind drift is a function of ballistic coefficient and time of flight, such cartridges as the .20 Tactical tend to shoot flatter, with less wind drift and do it quieter and at lower cost than comparable .22-caliber cartridges. I only saw barrels longer than 20" listed at WOA. Most reloaders develop two loads: one with a fast, lightweight bullet for long range on calm days, and a slower but heavier bullet for windy days or larger varmints. Actually I tried several techniques: simply running sized .223 Remington cases into the .20 Tactical sizing die; first using the form-and-trim die then the .20 Tactical sizing die; and what Sharpless called the Redding way, using the .20 Tactical bullet seating die as an intermediate step between the .223 Remington sizer and the .20 Tactical sizer. - 20 Practical - 20 Tactical - 30 ARX. That is saying a lot. Submit your own rating by logging in. This rifle has less than 125 rds through it. Todd Kindler reports great accuracy with N120 and the Sierra 32-grainer, running close to 3800 fps. Access from your Country was disabled by the administrator. While researching on how to make the brass, it seems everyone talks about using a Redding 223 FL die set with bushings and a 204 decapping rod assembly. So, if youve a mind to, try the Redding approach, and if dissatisfied, the form-and-trim die is always available. Below are some examples of a radius shoulder compared to an angled shoulder. I shoot ground rats & I find myself leaving the bolt setups in the safe more often than not & the AR's going almost every time. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. And this may be a dumb question but if I have to go the Redding route, with that die fit/function in a RCBS press? We've compiled complete ballistics tables for the most popular Berger, Hornady, and Sierra Bullets, with drop and wind-drift calculated from 100 to 500 yards. John (SnakeEye) of VarmintsForFun.com hopes Lapua does produce 20 VarTarg brass: "That will open up a whole new world in the little 20s. Anybody know the part number for the correct 20 cal decaping assembly? Copyright 2011- The latter came in handy for setting exact overall cartridge length for the various bullets used. I have formed over 1000 pcs of 20 practical brass. All my Brass is LC. 20 practical case forming I am gathering the parts for my 20 practical AR. The seating die (ST) includes bullet guide, built-in crimp ring and the p roper . The Hornady V-MAX bullets and the Sierra BlitzKing tend to be equally explosive and both fragment very well. Robin sent the form-and-trim die along as well but said I probably wouldnt need it. It is the .223 Remington case necked down to .20 caliber with the neck lengthened slightly, the shoulder set back and sharpened to 30 degrees and the body slightly blown out. While researching on how to make the brass, it seems everyone talks about using a Redding 223 FL die set with bushings and a 204 decapping rod assembly. And the 20 Practical matches the performance of the highly-publicized 20 Tactical with less money invested and no need to buy forming dies or fire-form cases. You have to use the bushing die so you can neck down to 20 cal.It takes more than one step so you need to change size of bushing and your regular 223 die cant do that. Of the lot, I have to admit having developed a particular fondness for one of them: the .20 Tactical. AcknowledgementsKory Hamzeh and 6mmBR.com would like to thank, in alphabetical order, WarrenB (Fireball), LeRoy Benson (Silverfox), Blake (CajunBlake), Al Boyechko, Alex Clarke, Dan Clements (DanC), Brooks Harman, Richard Miller (REM), Dave Moore, John Siebel (SnakeEye), Bob Smith, Doug Stiner (MontDoug), and Gary Wenzl. For example, as stated earlier, some rifles will shoot a Hornady 32gr V-MAX very well, but they won't shoot the 40gr V-MAX. 2023 Whidden Gunworks All Rights Reserved, Click Adjustable Sizer & Micrometer Seater Set. The particulars were the Hornady 32-grain V-MAX bullet and H-322 powder. It seems to be a good combination of case capacity and bullet. Redding Reloading Equipment has once again established a new die set based on customer feedback. I shoot a .20 tactical with 22 inch barrel and it has a rifle length gas tube and 10 twist shooting 39g sierras. There seemed to be a pattern emerging. How much speed you getting from your tactical? 20 practical Die set up on progressive DeadWoodDan Jan 17, 2018 DeadWoodDan Jan 17, 2018 #1 Attempting to be efficient and utilize what I have on hand. Click Here to VIEW Ballistics Tables. forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/20-practical-dies-headspacing-question.4052414/, Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 14_6 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/14.1.1 Mobile/15E148 Safari/604.1. Woa will do some custom work within reason. Grafs.com list the brass as a Dakota Arms product, item # DU4HH5006, priced $39.99 per hundred. I haven't seen anyone that has a procedure with RCBS equipment. The "20. The 20 Practical is great option for folks who favor "fast and light" smaller, lower-mass bullets traveling at very high velocities. If there is enough consumer demand, Lapua might bring out 20 VarTarg or (more likely) .221 Fireball brass on its own--but don't hold your breath. If you choose to send your fired brass, please do not resize and plan to send in three pieces. A 12-twist will stablize most bullets up to 40 grains. The one used here is a Cooper Firearms Model 21, a single-shot bolt action. I went out yesterday and worked from 26.5-27.5, 26.5 was about 3700, 27 was about 3830 and 27.5 was about 3925. We offer Custom Sizers, Seaters, Hydraulic Form Dies and Trim Dies from .20 Caliber to .408. Any help here or suggestions? 5.1 using manufacturer's published ballistic coefficients. Lighter bullets shoot flatter and faster thus giving you longer range, however, they tend to drift more with wind than the heavier bullets. 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