Theres little doubt that the Barnes TSX would be a superior bullet by quite a margin! Now, for some explanations before I get too many yes buts: The 450gr is available from Woodleigh for the .404J. When the supply of ammunition for the British safari guns began to dry up in the late 50s and early 60s, wildcatters took matters into their own hands. The Jeffery case and. In 2008, the joint effort between Hornady and Ruger was expanded to include the .416 Rugera beltless case designed to fit in a long-action receiver, matching the velocity of the Rigby and Remington cases. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. It looked good on paper, but there were immediate problems. While its paper ballistics indicate that the .375 H&H 300-grain load has more energy (4,263 ft-lb. And I also ran the ballistics (computer) on the 600gr and it comes out nearly identical to Barnes in their #3 manual. The Boone & Crockett Clubs Generation Next Youth Awards, amid the organizations 31st Big Game Awards, included a remarkable 132 great animals entered. There have been many designs over the years. Yes, of course and the rationale has been given that just didnt happen without reason, or because one of my three uncles designated Bob Mitchell to receive his .458 upon his decease! The 400-grain bullet for the .450-400 3-inchthe smallest diameter of the lothas a sectional density of .340. Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. Looking to enhance your effectiveness in the turkey woods this season? It is a cartridge that can use bullets up to 350 grains, and the recoil of the .375 H&H is mild enough that just about anyone can shoot it with a bit of practice. Mag. .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards.358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum.22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift.270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM.26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum.458 Win. Stopping power is no myth when deep penetration and immediate CNS kills are needed; in those instances when tables turn and prey becomes predator and hemorrhaging and blood loss are not enough. Thats my view from here and its hard to argue with reality. The case volume is a direct result of the volatility of cordite in the African and Indian heat in order to keep pressures low. In the late 1990s, A-Square joined SAAMI, and a number of its dangerous-game cartridges became standardized. And a 550gr for the .458WM is obtainable from the same source. With the A-Frame, all these rounds have an MPBR between 200 and 240 yards, which places them in the same trajectory envelop as the .30-30, .308, and .30-06. It shares the same geometry (except for the rim), and its ballistics are nearly identical. I absolutely love this cartridge; its sloping shoulder allows the cartridges to feed as smooth as silk, and the versatility of the loads will let it purr like a kitten or roar like a lion. The big Gibbs case will need 130 to 145 grains of powder to push those huge bullets, and it pushes the big 570- and 600-grain slugs to 2,100 fps, for just under 5,900 ft.-lbs. M77 Timeline. Both came on to the scene before the World War I, when the smokeless powder revolution had changed the course of cartridge development. Use any of the high weight retaining bullets we have available now and I'd guess you'd not see measurable difference. S.D. 38-55 Winchester.375 Ultra Mag..375-.338 Win. The 0.350-inch difference in length changed the entire game, and the belted Lott case will push a 500-grain bullet to 2,300 fps, for over 5,900 ft.-lbs of energy. I prefer the 404J. The casebeing cut downdidnt have the capacity to get those big bullets moving at the advertised speed. It reaches 3,250 fps with a 180-grain bullet and a 26-inch barrel. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. Here are some performance figures for modern .458 Win Mag factory ammunition. The .404 Jeffery was designed to duplicate .450/.400 ballistics in a bolt-action rifle. Selbys .470 double rifle had been accidently run over and damaged, and the only suitable rifle he could find in Nairobi was a dirty, rusty-looking .416 Rigby. Though there were so few produced, the reputation of the .416 Rigby inspired writers like Jack OConnor, who also sang its praises. Stopping power with its usually intended meaning is a myth. Reloading Brass. Looking at the performance level among the .375s, lower .40s and the .45s, using 300-, 400- and 500-grain bullets, respectively, youll see the trajectories of the .40-calibers staying very close to that of the .375s, where the .45s drop off quite a bit more. It was a particular favorite of Theodore Roosevelt, who dubbed it his medicine gun for lions. battle of the big boresthe .458 Win Mag advantagepart 10. Any .45-Bore, 10-pound rifle with 3-pound trigger. I normally use solids but have used softs and both do the job well. Lets make this simple: Any cartridge over .50-caliber that will push 525-, 570- and 600-grain bullets over 2,000 fps will make a good stopping rifle. Save my name and email to use for future comments. But thats not to cast doubt with faint praise with todays powders and stronger rifles it is quite capable of impressive performance though nothing extraordinary. of energy, with a larger frontal diameter. In addition if I remember correctly the NRA had an independent test run on the velocities of the 458 Win in 1956 which verified the original 2150fps ballistics with 510 gr bullets with the original 25 bbl. Am I suggesting that cartridges such as the revered .375 H&H Magnum arent sufficient for dangerous-game hunting? When a client shows up in camp with a .458 Win Mag, you know that most likely the only experience the hunter has had is reading the pages of Outdoor Life magazine, probably 30-year-old editions. An elephant wont be concerned about anything more than the fact that a bullet has passed through his/her brain. Given the option I'd take the .404 over the .458, any day. Mag. Mag. Modern hunters have forgotten how to stalk their prey. The granddaddy of bolt-action big-game calibers is the .458 Win. Title Actor Character Notation Date; Deadfall (2012) Kris Kristofferson: Chet Mills: with a scope: 2012 Deadfall (2012) Eric Bana: Addison: with a scope . A wildcat based on the .458 Winchester Magnum and necked down to hold .416-inch bullets, the .416 Taylor is a solid design. Among the black bears, pronghorns, mountain goats and mule deer were eight typical and eight non-typical whitetails taken in nine different states. With a slight shoulder of 8-30, the Jeffery case feeds like it was greased, and was an undeniable blend of striking power and low recoil. If I were to choose a bolt-action .45-caliber dangerous game rifle, it would undoubtedly be a .458 Lott. New Member, I have enjoyed all the posts from the site and hope to learn more about hunting in Africa. The 404 uses more powder, which I guess is due to larger case capacity, and since velocities are similar, I suppose the 404 runs at lower pressure. Newer offerings are less flexible in their applications. 6.5 mm Caliber. Dead heat here. This modern rimmed case from Krieghoff uses a 3-inch case to push a 400-grain, .416-inch bullet to 2,300 fps and makes a solid choice for a hunter who wants a double-rifle in .40-caliber. Yes, the .45s have more weight and a greater frontal diameter, but the energy figures between the lower .40s and the .45s arent radically different: They both have roughly 1,000 more ft-lb at the muzzle than do the .375s. It is accurate, as hard-hitting as the Rigby, and the recoil is noticeably less than the Rigby case. Aside from that, it will NEVER equal the efficiency or ballistics of the .458 Winchester Magnum. Am I just jealous? Of course, I am 65 and weigh 280 lbs, but my 58 160 son in law can shoot a box of those rounds in that gun just as well with no ill effects. 1968: M77 is introduced. The legacy that WDM Bell leaves us is that perfect shot placement, coupled with proper bullet construction, trumps caliber every time. Based on a shortened, blown-out, straight taper, .375 H&H Belted Magnum case, the .458 Winchester is designed for magazine rifles with standard (.30-06) length actions. Bell also stalked in close for those ideal shots through the ear and into the brain with those small bore rifles, when game is relatively calm, not charging and shots are up close and certain. Apr 11, 2012. The 404 being .423" would have an edge on sectional density while the .458" would have slightly more frontal area. An insurgence in India resulted in the British Empire banning all .45-caliber ammunition in the early 1900s, so as a result, gun makers needed to replicate the ballistics of the dangerous-game-proven .450 Nitro Express, yet in a different bore diameter. Of the cartridges listed, each has their merits. This has become my personal favorite of the lot. However, Ive become enamored of the .404 Jeffery. First, and most obvious, I can load it to its full-house specs for an extremely potent dangerous game cartridge. 1's are well known for their phenomenal accuracy and essentially fail-proof design. That is, right up into the 1970s. Im going to Alaska in Sept. for bear, and am taking both my .416 Ruger (scoped) and my G&H custom BA in .35 Whelen.. Save my name and email to use for future comments. The .338 Winchester Magnum is one of the most popular magnum cartridges for large American game. The old .40-caliber cartridge (released in 1902) was used by Jim Corbett for tiger and leopards in India, as did John Pondoro Taylor in Africa. Ive used this cartridge to take Cape buffalo, and wouldnt hesitate to do so again. The .450-400 3-inch is also known as the .400 Jeffery. You have entered an incorrect email address! All have the desired length for a proper dangerous-game cartridge. Do I have a bias toward the .458 Winchester? I feel it was too light by 2 lbs and kicked like mule. My Ford van will do more than I care to push it So will my .458 Win Mag! I think there is so much overlap with cartridges that perhaps the title should be reworded to 10 of the best instead of the 10 best, at which point there is little argument that any of these fit the bill. The classic cartridgesthose that made their reputations before World War II during the golden age of the safariall used a bullet with a sectional density greater than 0.300. "The Ruger No. The bolt action features a three-position safety on the lock and a classic stock magazine with a hinged cover. Those are, for the uninformed, .510 bullets (soft or solid) of 570grs at approximately 2350 fps! Well, assuming that the .404 Jeff actually achieved those numbers2600 fps from a 300gr, then my CZ should be a super performer on plains game, launching the 350 TSX at 2750 fps! A classic hunting rifle. The sectional density (SD) of the 300gr was about the same as a 350gr in .458, at .239 SD compared to .238 SD in .458. Mag..375 H&H.375 Whelan Imp..378 Weatherby.375-.404 Express.404 Jeffery.405 Winchester.416-.284.416 Taylor.416 Rem. . But it does get an ill-proportioned amount of chatter on at least one forum. Its lighter chamberings make it easy for recoil-shy shooters to field and makes it ideal for target work, too. at the muzzle. To date, weve had a short overview of the following big-bore cartridges, and the machinery that fires them, in comparison to my favorite Big Bore, the .458 Winchester Magnum: .404 Jeffery; .416 Rigby; .500 NE; .458 Lott; .416 Weatherby Magnum; .505 Gibbs; .460 Weatherby Magnum and, last week, the .470 NE. I took a huge-bodied Zimbabwe bull elephant with my .404 Jeffery, giving complete penetration and exiting on two body shots. Mag..458 . Being a rimmed case, it doesnt translate well to a bolt-action gun, but in a single-shot or double its a true classic. And then there's the .404 Jeffery, a superb dangerous-game round. But, if you want to put an exclamation point at the end of the hunting sentence, the .505 Gibbs will do just that. Powder Valley is your Reloading Superstore.. We are the largest provider of all brands of reloading brass because we offer great service and wholesale prices. Starting with the least potent of the lot, the .405 Winchester is a straight-walled cartridge released in the Model 1895 Winchester lever-action rifle. of energy at the muzzle, but the main selling point of the .375 is the versatility. Any member who have these two caliber bullet`s expanded version pictures available ? With premium bullets, the .416 Weatherby will certainly handle any game that walks the Earth. Based on my research, the 404 is a standard magnum action. It seems getting hold of the 404 Jeffery `s .423 " expanded soft nose bullet and a .458" expanded soft nose bullet may share some light on this discussion? got off to a rough start in life. No sane gun writer would ever put those words in print, and Im a longtime proponent of the .375. The design is certainly sound: In both factory ammunition and handloaded stuff, Ive seen nothing but good results from the .416 Ruger. With all due respect to the classics, I think there are better cartridges out there now that are more suitable and will outperform most of those listed. The casebeing cut downdidn't have the capacity to get those big bullets moving at the advertised speed. Some hunters (like Phil Massaro) also recommend dropping down to a 480 grain bullet with the .458 Win Mag. Especially someone paying 15-50,000 dollars for a hunt.Anyone who thinks the owners of Remingtons or Weatherby's have no idea what their doing is just a plain ass.Contrary to most elitist preconcieved european notions of those that own expensive items such as double rifles.Thier forfathers, whom most likely aquired their weath from stealing cattle from the nearby locals are a far cry from those today that have WORKED to aquire there wealth and EARNED the right to any article they have aquired.And don't think for one minute that just because a man walks up with a particular rifle that you are more experienced than he. Mag. (ZKK-601), .375 H&H Mag, .404 Jeffery or .458 Win Mag (ZKK-602). I think the .458 would be best served with a premium 465- or 480-grain bullet to give a bit of room in the case. It shares the same case length as the .375 H&H and fits perfectly in a magnum-length action. Theres no word on pressure but I suspect its right up there with any modern rifle cartridge designed for Africas grumpiest! Before we get too deep into other details, keep in mind (from previous blogs) our system of scoring: There are 10 criteria with a value of 10 points each that makes a possible 100. Winchester engineers opened up the .375 H&H belted case to hold .458-inch diameter bullets, in a straight walled configuration, and cut the case length down to 2.500 inches, so as to fit in a .30-06-length action. 375 Wby Mag; 375 Win; 376 Steyr; 378 Wby Mag; 38-55 WCF; 40-60 Win; 40-65 Win; 404 Jeffery; 405 Win; 408 CheyTac; 416 Barrett; 416 Rem Mag; 416 Rigby; 416 Ruger; 416 Taylor; 416 Wby Mag; 44-40 WCF; 444 Marlin; 45-60 Win; 45-70 Gov; 45-75 Win; 45-90; 450 Bushmaster; 450 Marlin; 450 Nitro Express; 450 Rigby; 450-400 Nitro Express; 457 WW Mag; 458 . In spite of its lower velocity, the .450-400 3-inch remains the most popular of the rimmed cartridgesalthough I predict the .416 Rigby No. Now offered at an even lower price! Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Instead of simply maintaining the .410-inch diameter bullet of the .450/400, the .404 Jeffery utilized a .423-inch diameter bullet of 400 grains, at the same muzzle velocity of 2150 fps, generating 4,100 ft.-lbs. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). Jeffery had great success with their .450/400 Nitro Express cartridges, and needed a cartridge of similar performance that would work well in a bolt-action rifle. While its a unique cartridge, the .425 isnt incredibly popular, and Kynoch is the only ammunition provider when this ammo is available. The .505 Gibbs is a specialty cartridge that is designed for the heavyweights; it really doesnt make a whole lot of sense to use it on lighter game, as there are much better tools for that job. .458 Cartridges The largest of the big bores to be discussed within these pages are the .458's. If the placement is not right with either neither will the result be. Nobody claims it to be the most accurate fast .30, but it's been a favorite of mine for nearly 40 years. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. You have entered an incorrect email address! Being designed to basically duplicate the 1890s .450/400 N.E. Using a .410-inch bullet, the classic .450-400 3-inch load consisted of a 400-grain bullet at 2,050 fps for 3,732 ft-lb of energy. It gives the same perfect balance of power & shootabaility as my other rifles. I wouldnt find fault with a hunter for choosing one way or the other, so Ill settle the argument with my own personal decision: I own two .404 Jeffery riflesa Heym Express and a Bansner Customand I dont own a .416 Rigby. For a sportsman who travels the world, the .375 H&H Magnum is a solid investment, one he or she can use for bears in America or buffalo in Southern Africa. I have a .458 Lott and 404 Jeff , I would rather download the jeff than the 458 Lott or WM . Nostalgia? I have used both on a fair number of water buffalo and cannot see any difference. An undeniable classic, the .416 Rigby was released in 1911. 14 shots fired from new! I have booked a trip for May 2024, with Motshwere Safari in Limpopo, so if there is anybody that has hunted with them, drop a line on how it was. Both of these were chambered in .375 H&H, .416 Rigby, .458 Win and .458 Lott. They were offered in those chamberings plus .416 Rem, .404 Jeffery, .425 W.R., .450 Rigby, .500 Jeffery, .505 Gibbs. 1 single-shot rifle for it. Jeffery & Co. in 1905 and nearly disappeared over time,. Merely said, the Norma Ladedaten 300 Win Mag Pdf is universally compatible in imitation of any devices to read. was the first American big bore cartridge designed for African dangerous game hunting. Having laid bare my soul on these matters, I could further speculate that one might simply choose a modern 12-gauge with rifled tube and accomplish the same things using saboted copper slugs of 400grsbut I wont. Sometimes more is just more and not necessarily better. Experiences? Starting with the elder of the two, the .404 Jeffery came onto the scene in either 1906 or 1907 (this date has been the topic of debate, but my friend Phil Shoemaker has a certified 1907 .404 Jeffery rifle), and was designed to be a rimless variant of the .450/400 Nitro Express, also known as the .400 Jeffery. I have a couple of problems with this article. Thus, thye standard magnum actions (such as 300, 338, 7mm or even 458) should work. Their designation uses the smaller land (rather than groove or bullet) diameter. Its somewhat akin to owning a 500 hp sport-coup and being limited to 120 kph/75 mph on a super highway. So also, the 550gr in .458 was an educated guess until I ran the ballisticswhich confirmed it. And when a client shows up in camp with a .404 Jeffery, you know this is someone who cares enough about said history and traditions to go to the immense trouble of building and loading a gun and cartridge long sacrificed to the gods of mass production and commercialism. CZ makes a fine rifle, and Montana Rifle Company makes their DGR with a nice big muzzle brake that actually makes it quite comfortable to shoot. Based solely on my internal ballistics computer program, the .416 Remington does show somewhat better results from a 400gr when the psi is the same both from 26 tubes. Bullet weights range from 325 grains up to 450 grains, with the heavier weights being best for dangerous game work. "Mit Scharnier" MTM RLLD-50er Patronenbox fr .300/.458 Win Mag/.444 Marlin u.v.m grn 8,50 . Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. In 1911, Londons John Rigby & Co. released what would become one of their most famous proprietary cartridges: the .416 Rigby. In its Nitro loading, a 400grain jacketed bullet was launched at 2150fps. The .416 Rigby is a flat-shooter, yet it hits like a freight train. That said, you cant go wrong with either. So we ARE comparing two brands of apples here sort of. Maybe thats giving too much credit I dunno. But my affection for Big Bores isnt limited to .458. Beyond that, the .404 magazine rifle is indeed a fine instrument for dangerous game that has proven itself reliable and dignified for a century. It's an ancient round that was designed by W.J. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. But even with the 350-grain Woodleigh Weldcores, the .375 H&H doesnt quite hit as hard as the .40s do. Secondly, and because Im all about flexibility, I can very easily load the Lott down to the original .458 Winchester ballistics. And my rifle cartridges, like myself, have become older & slower!marvquillen@aol.com. / .38-72 / .405 Win / .375 Ruger / .400 Nitro Exp./ .404 Jeffery. Certainly, it received a huge shot in the arm when Robert Ruark released Horn of the Hunter in 1953, immortalizing the cartridge in the hands of PH Harry Selby. / .38-72 / .405 Win / .375 Ruger / .400 Nitro Exp./ .404 Jeffery. I dont think the modern Jeffery loadthe 400-grain bullet at 2350 fpsgives up much to the Rigby, though the higher sectional density of the Rigby bullet might influence a choice, but the greater frontal diameter.423-inch v. .416-inchmight offset that concept. There are plenty of factory loads, as well as component bullets available for the .416. Do yourself a favor get hold of a .423 bullet and a .458 bullet hold them in your hands ..you will really see a big difference between these two bullets..the .458" is really a lot bigger than the .423" no comparison at allthe 404 Jeffery is made for a 400 gn bullet at 2150 f/s it is deadly as isbut if you are not sure of your competency with such a load/rifle,,you can go heavier I suppose? Measuring the diameters of expansion maybe able to provide more insight to this discussion? So, my reckoning is largely rooted in a love for the .45-70 to begin with, and then wanting one in a bolt action! First off, any 29 year old regaurdless of what he does does not have enough experience in anything to be running his mouth about anyone. The .45 ACP Isnt Going Anywhere, 8 On-Target Concealed Carry Insurance Options (2022), 10 Affordable Double-Barrel Shotgun Options (2023), Best AR-15 Options For Any Budget And Buyers Guide (2023), Best Concealed Carry Handguns For Women (2023). Includes 2.5 packets of ammunition if picked up. World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. And, Ive found theres a definite ramp-up in recoil when you go to the 500-grain, .45-caliber cartridges, which run at 2,150 fps and upward. Today, if I were to go to Africa I would take a .416 and a .300 Wichester magnum for plains game. Trigger two-stage trigger, adjustable, 0,9 kg - 2,5 kg Barrel length 16,5" (419 mm) 20" (508 mm) 24" (609 . Ruger added the .416 Ruger in 2009, and that venerable old wildcat, the .416 Taylor, was standardized in 2011. Ill spare you that endurance test! The same fate befell the .450 Nitro; ammo became more rare than hens teeth. Like the .300 H&H, the .300 Winchester is designed to headspace off the belt, but the clever reloader can adjust the cartridge to headspace off the shoulder. I fitted it with a Redfield peep site and find that it shoots with great accuracy and with enough power to knock an animal so hard that it dies before it hits the ground . and other magnums, in that a 200-yard . I was fortunate to secure, at a very reasonable price, a very late .404. These pages are about big-bore RIFLES period! Same ranges and targets as used in 1874. Mag. wiederladen norma web 308 norma mag 308 winchester 338 lapua mag 338 norma mag 338 win mag 35 whelen 358 norma mag 375 blaser mag 375 fl mag n e 375 h h mag 4 5 mm 404 jeffery 416 rem mag 416 rigby 416 taylor 450 rigby 458 lott 458 . Some feel that the initial loadings of the .404 Jeffery the 400-grain/2150 fps comboare a bit anemic, but for over a century it has worked and worked well. It was 1989 when Weatherby adapted its big, double-radius case to the .416-inch bore, with the signature increase in velocity in tow. OK, so lets get to work on the .500 Jeffery: Theres been a VERY long, and mostly boring, recent discussion on one of the forums about the .500 Jeffery. When a client shows up in camp with a Remington or a Weatherby in any caliber, you know the hunters experience probably does not extend past the clerk at the gun counter. When a client shows up in camp with a .375 Holland & Holland, you immediately know that you have a practical and able chap as a customer, a wise and knowledgeable hunter who will listen to reason. >223 caliber in Ruger #3?.. all over Africa and North America, with stellar results. Though the number of rifles produced prior to World War II was actually quite lowa whopping total of 169 riflesit was the writing of experienced African hunters like John Pondoro Taylor who sang its praises; but the 1953 release of Robert Ruarks Horn of the Hunter, in which he idolized his PH Harry Selby and his .416 Rigby, that sealed the cartridges fate. 2, a rimmed version of the classic .416 Rigby thats built for double-rifles. As well, I have a couple of boxes of 600-grainers (Barnes Original) in .458. Mag. of energy. "Mit Scharnier" MTM RLLD-50er Patronenbox fr .300/.458 Win Mag/.444 Marlin u.v.m grn/schwarz 8,50 . The 1980s saw a revival of the .416-inch-bore diameter: Federal brought back the .416 Rigby, and Remington introduced its .416 Remington Magnum, which is officially based on its 8mm Remington Magnum case (but the .40-caliber more than resembles the wildcat .416 Hoffman). The rounds for these modern day elephant slayers are. Not surprisingly, as it uses heavy bullets with a moderate velocity resulting in a well-controlled expansion and a very good penetration - the time proven recipe of an efficient killer. vs. 3,732 ft-lb), the heavier bullet weight of the .450-400 gives it an advantage in the field. Launching a 300-grain, .411-inch-diameter bullet at 2,200 fps for slightly more than 3,200 ft-lb of muzzle energy, the .405 Winchester is definitely light, especially in comparison to the .375 H&H with heavy bullets. Modern bullets have made this .40-caliber even better. The Jeffery design saw the light of day around 1909 (accounts vary), to mirror the ballistics of the earlier .450/400, but in a repeating rifle. The .416 Rigby is a huge rimless case with a 45-degree shoulder. My Heym Express prints them into sub-MOA groups, and my, is it effective. The load and bullet were revised, and things were set right; however, I feel that there are still flaws in the .458 Winchester. The toughest 50-round drum magazine for the MP5 on the market! How so? Rigby has recently announced the release of the .416 Rigby No. In the same year Westley Richards introduced the .425 Westley Richards cartridge. It delivers Rigby ballistics in a smaller cartridge, albeit at a higher chamber pressure. And since the .404 Jeff is a longer bottle-neck case, it burns a larger dose of slower burning power to achieve about 76% of the ballistics of my .458 Win Mag! The .458 Winchester Magnum Remember I told you that supplies of ammunition for the British cartridges dried up in the 50s? The CZ 600 Trail proved to be a handy rifle that can down game in hard-to-find places, all without alerting everything with fur that you have moved into the woods. And then there are those who feel that anything smaller than the .500 Jeffery or .500 Nitro Express is a waste of time, because no smaller cartridge could possibly stop a charge. I have used a Winchester Model 70 in .416 Rem. "A buffalo could probably be taken with a well placed frozen herring but, the question is: "What's the point"?" Cartridge Bullet wt. The choice of one of these .40-caliber cartridges is as subjective as choosing a deer cartridge. But perhaps thats not quite fair to the one in 500 who think that just maybe, perhaps, possibly some day they might want to try one on for size. The "Safari Classics" were built in the CZ custom shop here in the States with upgraded Classic style stocks with cheekpiece and they used McGowen barrels. .577 Nitro Express compared to a .22 CB. Email When Available 458 LOTT: 500 [+] Close . Both will kill animals effectively. Its also easier to get an extra cartridge in the magazine with the narrower Jeffery case than with the big Rigby case. By the way, an asidepushed from the same case, with the same powder charge, a larger diameter bullet of the same weight will always yield more velocity. 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