Rod: Do you see any big changes in high performing hunting calibers or barrels used for them? I ended up with it and actually sold it on a whim without even putting the barrel on. Mik: Using single based powders and cleaning correctly and regularly will give you the bestbarrellife, double based or high energy powders will burn abarrelout quicker. As far as new cartridges go theres always going to be the latest and greatest. Ive obviously built quite a few 300 Norma and Norma improved. The fact that Lapua makes the brass is a huge bonus for it. I have 28 WARM firings on a single piece of brass and the primer pocket is still tight. Feels almost brand new. Its a great round. Extremely accurate and wide nodes. Capable of sending a 230 berger over 3000 fps in a 26 barrel and still fit in magazines while throated for heavy bullets.. Barrel life refers to the expected number of rounds before its accuracy starts degrading. Meaning 3050 fps is as fast as I would want to run to keep brass usable for more than a couple reloadings. Many will complain about the belt, which in most cases is nothing more than a cosmetic eyesore. Any guesses in barrel life of SM vs nosler? Are you in for competition or a high-performance hunting cartridge? They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0mm (0.550in). Since the .28 Nosler burns smaller powder charges than the 7mm RUM, barrel accuracy life is potentially a bit longer. If youre in Europe youre looking at 900-1300 per barrel depending on configuration, length, fluting, finish, muzzle break etc. Well maybe except for the 338 Allen Mag, but the 6.5SS was a 9 lb rifle scoped. Less twist rate means the bullet loses less energy, thus going further than a bullet with a higher twist rate. Get 'em straight to your inbox. As I did not find acceptable accuracy at any velocity, it is impossible for me to say were the accuracy node would be. As a last ditch effort I purchased some hammer bullets: 143gr HH, 150gr SH and 155gr HH in their 15 round sample packs. Maybe not? I was hoping that the 26 nosler would be a better alternative but I know barrel life wont be nearly as long as the 6.5-06 Ackley and brass will be very spendy as of now. We'll assume you're ok with this, but you can opt-out if you wish. Now I had a 28 nosler a few years ago for hunting on a tenacity with cip mags and had no issues with feeding. Posted: 11/20/2014 2:05:30 AM EDT [#9] . The bottom line is there is roughly 2% water capacity difference between the cartridges with the 300 Win Mag being the smallest and the Nosler being the largest. Sign up today. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder dimension yet than that of the .30 Nosler. Barrel wear or rather barrel burning comes from the immense heat that is generated whenever a cartridge is fired and youre effectively channeling all that energy through a small hole hence coining the term for some cartridges as over-bore cartridges. I built three rifles with 26 barrels, and developed loads for each rifle. Check out the video below of the high performance 338LM at 1 mile that we shot in Sicily. The .28 Nosler cartridge case can be formed by "necking up" or expanding the neck of a .26 Nosler case to 7mm (.284") diameter. The overall cartridge length of 84.8mm (3.340in) is the same as that of the .30-06 Springfield, allowing the use of widely available standard-length actions. The rifle used for the review is my 3rd 300 Win. They have a plethora of products that have become household names in the world of shooting. These include factors like load data and barrel life. Yes I agree I just had so many ackleys before I got tired of messing with that part. Over the last several months, I have been testing an old warrior along side two of the newest and hottest 30 caliber cartridges. I can see some of you raising their eyebrows. If you consider the cost of 1000 high performance rounds, youre looking somewhere at 2-3 a pop if you handload and 6-8 if you shoot factory for the big magnums and ELR rounds. A post shared by rod@rifletalks.com (@rifletalks). In the subsequent years, Nosler would release the .28 Nosler (7mm bore diameter), and the .30 Nosler; these two are popular as all-around hunting choices. The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. [16], According to a recent Nosler publication the .33 Nosler surpasses the velocity of the .338 Lapua Magnum by 25fps while burning 18% less powder. The short answer is these three cartridges will compete very closely to each other. And when it comes to Nosler, they are a proven name in the market. such as the 6.5mm PRC, .26 Nosler and .30-378 Weatherby, are notorious barrel burners. The 30 Nosler is limited to Nosler ammunition, which I am not a fan of. Ballistics will go to the 28 my a slim margin, killing power to the 30. In the same way, if Im a prospective F-class competitor and absolutely want the top cartridge I can manage to shoot that could help me achieve a marginal advantage to WIN, then 500 rounds of barrel life maybe just the ticket to achieve that. Rifle barrels are usually made from steel alloys called ordnance steel, nickel steel, chrome-molybdenum steel, or stainless steel, depending upon the requirements of the cartridge for which they are chambered. mags will push that bullet. usable freebore from the start. 300 Winchester Mag vs 300 PRC vs 30 Nosler. With the 30SM you have adg and lapua but I have not tryed lapua because Rich set up the reamer and dies around adg brass. Spend your time figuring out how to shoot it and spend the saved money on more tags/hunts. Load data is the amount of grain of powder charge your cartridge needs for maximum performance. A 338 Lapua burns circa 90grains of powder under a larger .338 bullet. The best way to think about this round is as an updated version of the venerable 7mm Rem. Ok once were over the financials, lets speak to the experts. Its parent cartridge is the .404 Jeffery. If you want to shoot 1 mile in Europe, join this facebook group, Trapani one mile shoot with more info about the next one mile shooting weekend in Sicily, Italy coming March 2021. So, during impact, it will have a bigger collision. The cost of the rifle should also be taken into account. Since we dont have any control over that, our calculations were done in the most neutral way possible. You will probably never wear out this traditional hunting rifles barrel. Head to the about me section. Heat from repeated firing burnsbarrelsout slightly quicker. The funny thing is the 33XC barrel is consistently holding 2-3 vertical at 1000 right now. How much longer it will do that I have no idea but Im guessing the barrel will give up peak accuracy around 400 rounds or maybe a hair less. Im going to try a different powder in my next barrel and see if that helps with throat erosion etc. Currently using N570 and pushing a 300 gr berger at 3225 fps in a 30 proof carbon barrel. That combo definitely isnt going to be easy on barrels! Rod: How far off is an FTR 308winbarrelin terms ofbarrelwearfrom an open gun by todays performance standards? Introduced in 2016, the .30 Nosler is a SAAMI approved and standardized cartridge. I have little experience with either, but Ill throw my two cents in on the 300 Weatherby and the 300 RUM. To understand it better, check the curve-. Four of Nosler's Cartridges, .26 Nosler, .28 Nosler, .30 Nosler and .33 Nosler, are based on the same .300 Remington Ultra Magnum[6] parent case. It was a hot load and only got 3-4 firings with Norma brass but shot 3-5 groups at my 1110 yard plate and 1.5-2.5 groups at my 755 plate and just didnt shoot its best any slower so I kept rolling at 3250. Just a great caliber. Your email address will not be published. For 28 Nosler, it has a barrel life of 700-900 rounds for 175-grain bullets. This means that weight is usually on a premium and the overall balance of the gun important. This factory cartridge OAL is what holds the Win Mag back when it comes to factory ammo options and is a major reason the guys at Hornady developed the 300 PRC. First accuracy, then speed we always say. If you want the best designed SAAMI chamber, maybe the 300 PRC is for you. Looking at the two the biggest selling point for me was I didn't have to blow out any brass like the 30 sherman and the 30 nosler was cheaper overall to get everything. Another key factor to take into account is the twist rate. But, if youre calculating ballistics, make sure your rifle sight is of good quality. Feel free to email me. Harry: Choose a matching finished length and twist rate that really helps you achieve your ULR goals. If you want to stretch your rifles legs and performance matters, then keep reading. I can say I fell in love with the case design but it will be 3 months or more easily til I get my barrel. Ok, lets talk about the real performance of the test rifles. of energy, the 30 Nosler outperforms such touted rounds as the 300 Weatherby and the 300 Win Mag. The change in position is determined by the velocity of the wind and other factors. The previous two pushed 215 Bergers out of 26 barrels at 3030-3040 fps. The case diameter and taper resemble those of the 6.8mm Remington SPC; so Nosler recommends using a magazine designed for that cartridge. Having said that, it can benefit from a custom throat. So, keep that in mind and prepare accordingly! [16], The .28 Nosler is essentially a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). I guess we will see. Get the March Scope 2.5-2556 with upto 100MOA of elevation, View your barrel with a borescope as we did here https://www.instagram.com/p/CEGVveyJi9U/. As a result, it gets the advantage of trajectory as well. Finding the right cartridge can drastically improve your shooting experience. I know without a doubt, I will be shooting a 30 Nosler until I cant get brass or the next best thing comes along. S. Schw15 . Mike at Hells Canyon Armory chambered the 30 Nosler test rifle using one of his 26 barrels. It has a higher momentum on air, so strikes from the 30 Nosler are far more impactful. Looking at the ballistics, my 30 Nosler shooting the Berger Target Hybrid 230's, will go another 120-yards before going transonic comparing it to the 338LM using the Berger 300's. as far as barrel life, I'm yet to experience that. The .33 Nosler is Nosler's fourth cartridge following its predecessors the .26 Nosler which was released in 2014, the .28 Nosler which was released in 2015, and the .30 Nosler which was released in 2016. So, 28 Nosler takes the edge in terms of barrel life! One of the easiest ways to measure a bullets effective range is by its supersonic range. Some of which have become household names in the world of hunting. On the other hand, the 30 Noslers recoil rate is 31.58 ft-lbs. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. I got the itch for a new cal and just pulled the trigger on a 30 nosler it will be throated to my dummy rounds. If you are afraid a chambering will fall out of favor of the masses to the point components are hard to get, you should be safe and stay with the tried and true 300 Win. [16] The .33 Nosler is built on the same action length as the .338 Winchester Magnum but launches projectiles at a higher velocity. Below are some questions you may want to ask yourself when deciding about a new high performance cartridge. Remember, keep load development short when testing hi performance rifle cartridges. Before I wrap this up, I will quickly discuss two cartridges that many will want to compare to the three in the article. Meanwhile, the 180-grain 30 Nosler has a barrel life of 500-800 rounds. The .30 Nosler Spitzer AccuBond 210-grain Long Range bullet held the tightest drop of all five bullets with -34.6" and the largest drop coming from the .300 PRC 212-grain ELD-X Precision Hunter and the .300 PRC 225-grain ELD Match . This will give you 92% load capacity. The SAAMI chamber will allow 215 Bergers to be seated with the boat tail junction seated around the neck/shoulder junction. 300Norma, we prepared this in detail write up. Above: High performance rounds can help you half your windage hold offs. Maximum case lengths are 72.4mm (2.850in) and 65.8mm (2.590in) respectively. Nosler produces six different hunting cartridges. For a sub-MOA barrel, many shooters report a loss in peak accuracy for 28 Nosler around the 800-round mark, while a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel can hold accuracy until around 2,000-2,500 rounds on average. Barrel Life. So, in conclusion, getting the 30 Nosler is worth the effort if performance is what youre looking for! The 300 RUM will surely best all three cartridges in the article but is less efficient and to get all it has to offer, you will need to single feed as well. The .224 Valkyrie is a similar cartridge, but the two are not interchangeable. Trajectory refers to the path of the bullet once it has left the gun. In January 2017 Nosler introduced the .22 Nosler. I will try to focus on all out performance over accuracy as everyone who knows anything about custom rifles knows the reamer design will have almost as much effect on accuracy as the cartridge and loads themselves. Now, some typical features of a bullet are velocity, energy, time of flight, etc. Run two or three dry patches through before firing. There is no end to the which cartridges are bigger, badder, faster argument. Rod: How many rounds do you expect your high performing 300Norma/ 28Nosler hunting rifles to go?. Above: Nowhere is the game more life and death than when hunting in the mountains. Due to its greater length, the Remington case is about 25 percent more capacious than the Nosler.[17]. Also, when it comes to ammo, knowing how to store your ammo is as crucial as getting the right one! Also, who did he get to chamber the bartlein? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Stick a rubber hose in the chamber of a hot barrel, muzzle down. The velocity also comes at play here since kinetic energy is determined based on velocity and the formula is-. The 28 Nosler has a supersonic range of almost 1700 yards for a flight time of 2.85 seconds. You can improve the longevity of your barrel by maintaining optimum temperature and regular browning. From the table, you can see the change in velocity, elevation, energy, windage based on distance and time of flight. So, it can be different at different times of the season. Load capacity Charge/(case capacity x bulk density). The compressed load means that youd need more powder than the average. ADG fireformed 30 nosler holds 101gr water, so it has 6gr capacity edge over 30SM. . Here, 28 Nosler takes the edge in terms of twist rate. The higher the energy while impact, the more damage the bullet will cause. The 300prc 225 eld m factory ammo shot terrible in my gun. However, its still in theory and nothing has been proven yet. The 7mm PRC is a new round designed for long-range shooting and big-game hunting. Carefully spaced shots (don't overheat the barrel) always . Rod: What can help shooters in getting the most out of their barrels? However I shot the 300 PRC at 1000 yards quite a bit and a 6.5 PRC & 7 SAUM. Its probably late to comment but i will anyway.I started out with the 300 PRC shooting in ELR King of 1 Mile & King Of 2 Mile Matches.I love it. The two previous rifles had 27 and 28 barrels and pushed 215 Bergers 2890fps and 2950fps respectively. The Hornady brass has a total water capacity of around 96 grains. Typically these rifle cartridge users build rifles around the bullet and cartridge they want to use or otherwise rechamber an existing rifle for a specific rifle which entails a new barrel and set of dies in most scenarios (as is the case with 338LM users shooting a 33XC) Typically these shooters are more involved with their goals and objectives and want to achieve specific goals. Nosler adds a new cartridge in 2020, the .27 Nosler. Depending on the brand of brass, it will have a total water capacity of 88-95.5 grains. To help you understand the ballistics, were going to discuss them in detail! Ryan:I did hear about Bartleins new steel theyre offering. Sounds like a good deal. Time will tell on the new steel. As stated earlier, the goal was to develop loads for 215 Bergers and H1000. As far as barrel life I don't have any idea sherman has said 1800 in the past. If youre wondering which shooting gloves to go for, check out our suggestions-. 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