Given that the old chart is 11 years old, and that I see newer players use it to base their mains quite frequently, I really feel like someone (PGStats really) should create one. This section will be expanded regularly as I continue to play Marth and gain relevant matchup knowledge. However, since Marth is quick and has excellent range, you'll need to be wary of your own spacing when using projectiles. 1 in the rankings, he said. Best Match. The time between the first and 4th hits hae been decreased. Heading into this years Genesis, Zain is preparing just like he has for any Major tournament: focusing on his matchups, scheduling practices and doing appropriate analysis. go premium to hide all advertisements and this notice. Potemkin - 5.7. A time line that will help guide you through the daunting process of learning SSBM using Marth. Additionally, Zain said he wants to add a few new wrinkles to his playstyle. Super Smash Bros. Melee Character Matchups, https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Character_matchup_(SSBM)&oldid=1676295, Note that although this is the current matchup chart as of 2010, it is subject to change with the meta. https://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchup_(SSBM) Entire characters are wrong, like falcon or ice climbers. the last time i saw the matchup played correctly was Azen in 06, and im not sure he lost to any sheik players. jk jk. Combos: Almost even Slight shiek, but only slight because down throw can kill at 70 with tipper upsmash and it creates edgeguard opportunities at mid pecents. This smash attack also has a great launch distance. Lke Nair, forward air also has great range and quick startup. If I get good feedback and people find this site useful then I could potentially do something similar for other characters, The two Majors he has his eye on later in the year are Smash Summit and The Big House. Sends the opponent up and behind Marth. very prevalent matchups, like spacies v marth, a matchup that most players will experience frequently (given the high amount of spacie and marth players). GG|n0ne (Captain Falcon) 5. Launches opponents upward, allowing for a followup attack, Better at launching than up or down inputs, Deals more damage than up or forward input. vs MK. Use the forward air while falling after your jump. Pichu has the worst matchup spread, despite not being bottom tier. Zain has become the best Marth player in the world and is turning matchups that are usually considered neutral or even bad for his character into winnable games purely based on how hard he practices against them. Marth Matchup Chart Matchup Chart Notes About Matchup Chart 1. Another fast move with a large hitbox, bair is also excellent for closing out stocks. Conversely, hitting an opponent with the sour spot deals very little knockback, failing to KO most opponents even at 100%. Properly spacing the tipper on attacks such as forward smash and back aerial will allow him to take stocks rather quickly. When looking through the instruction booklet we saw the most amazingly mistranslated sentence Privacy Policy. Like fair, it can be used for edge guarding, but you should not that Marth's body will face the complete opposite direciton after using it, so be careful of a misinput when recovering back to the stage (you'll need to use a turnaroun special in order to snap to the ledge). So many randoms say oh my god Fox is definitely the best, if you have one bad matchup youre an idiot. Like, you dont know what youre talking about.. YAY NEW CHART - I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED YET. Just something you need to think about. Marth players will want to avoid a risk, so they tend to choose fast falling + an air dodge, or escaping toward the ledge, so watch how they attempt to get out of disadvantage and follow up there. I could use the practice partners. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 2. I main marth and capitan falcon, im not phenomenally good but I can do some stuff, and I'd love to not have to argue why marth falcon is 60-40 falcon (arguably worse then the shiek MU). Marth's up throw sends opponents very high upward, and can even KO at high percentages (around 200%). I put my thoughts on it. Sheik, +43 3. Marth can edgeguard sheik. -1 = Slight Disadvantage or Even. Smash.gg bracket: https://smash.gg/tournament/smash-summit-9/events/melee-singles/brackets, Seeding: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQmLganXUAE581T?format=jpg&name=small, Schedule: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQM5mhdWkAQOhd_?format=jpg&name=medium, Plup Sheik (10th seed) 3-0 Mang0 Falco (3rd seed), Fiction Fox (7th seed) 3-2 aMSa Yoshi (6th seed), iBDW Fox (9th seed) 3-1 Wizzrobe Captain Falcon (8th seed), Pricent Fox (18th seed) 3-1 Shroomed Sheik (14th seed), Mang0 Falco (3rd seed) 3-2 Hax Fox (11th seed), Leffen Fox (4th seed) 3-2 n0ne Captain Falcon (12th seed), Axe Pikachu (5th seed) 3-2 Wizzrobe Captain Falcon (8th seed), Axe Pikachu (5th seed) 3-2 Spark Sheik (13th seed), Fiction Fox (7th seed) 3-2 Magi Falco (a reverse 3-0), n0ne Captain Falcon (12th seed) 3-2 Spark Sheik (13th seed), Zain Marth (1st seed) 3-0 Leffen Fox (4th seed), Zain Marth (1st seed) 3-1 iBDW Fox (9th seed), Hungrybox Jigglypuff (2nd seed) 3-0 Fiction Fox (7th seed), Hungrybox Jigglypuff (2nd seed) 3-0 Plup Fox (10th seed), Mang0 Falco (3rd seed) 3-1 aMSa Yoshi (6th seed), Leffen Fox (4th seed) 3-0 Bobby Big Ballz Falco (17th seed), Axe Pikachu (5th seed) 3-1 Bobby Big Ballz Falco (17th seed), aMSa Yoshi (6th seed) 3-0 Shroomed Sheik (14th seed) (Shroomed out at 17th), Wizzrobe Captain Falcon (8th seed) 3-1 Ryobeat Peach (16th seed), iBDW Fox (9th seed) 3-0 Spark Sheik (13th seed), Plup Sheik (10th seed) 3-1 Magi Falco (15th seed), Hax Fox (11th seed) 3-1 Pricent Fox (18th seed), n0ne Captain Falcon (12th seed) 3-1 Ryobeat Peach (16th seed) (Ryobeat out at 17th), Magi Falco (15th seed) 3-1 Pricent Fox (18th seed). Of course, winning Genesis for a third straight time will be no easy feat. He's no Armada. Thanks for the response Ishiey. please let me know! These are my own opinions, and are not to be taken as 100% correct. Woops! This move has excellent range, and thanks to its extremely low end lag, it is safe on shield and a great poking tool. 2. You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Inputting the down input for the side special will accumulate the most damage. +1 = Slight Advantage or Even. Before the tenth tier list was made, Mewtwo had no advantageous match ups, but now it has plenty. Marth out ranges sheik. No other player has won more than one Genesis, which is one of the most prestigious annual Smash Melee tournaments. Like forward throw, it doesn't have any confirms, but it can be used to gain stage control or set up an edgeguard. Zato-1's Guilty Gear Strive tier match ups. +2 = Advantage. https://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchup_(SSBM). I think I need to pick up another character for it. This page was last edited on April 13, 2022, at 00:31. He rounded out his year with another Supermajor win later in the year at the Ludwig Smash Invitational. I want to play more sick and stylish this year, so hopefully Ill get the crowd on my side, he said. Zain started playing competitively in May 2014 and quickly climbed the ranks, notably winning the S@X Fall Arcadian.He gained recognition at the national level at The Big House 6 when he defeated Plup 2-0 in pools. Well.. Zain and his signature Marth went 3-4 against iBDW and his Fox last year. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Conversely, failing to land the sweetspot of his sword will make it difficult to take stocks, so unlike Lucina (whose sword does the same damage and knockback regardless of where it hits), Marth is a better character for more advanced characters who are able to properly control their spacing on each attack. useless in competitive play. Everybody except Pichu and Bowser have at least one counter. Zain obviously wants to remain the top player in Smash Melee, but hes trying not to focus on that as much this year. I don't consider myself an amazing player by any means, but I do know a lot. I'd say the marth sheik and marth puff matchups are being played very wrong lately, Yea some people have some grossly skewed Marth optimism. Just look how broken he was in PM with a good shield and a few buffs. Made it easier to hit in the high-damage window. ], IBDW is one of many players who only play Fox, not having a secondary at all despite being a Top 10 player in the world. Simply grinding tech-skills can get a bit boring at times; these challenges are designed to provide a fun incentive to train difficult techniques. To view matchup spreads, the character chosen on the left column will be matched with the enemy chosen on the top row. 13.0.1 Patch Notes and Balance Changes. =============================================================. Alternatively, this ad may have just failed to load. He hasnt won an offline Summit yet; he finished 5th-6th at both Smash Summit 13 and 14 last year, which were among his two worst performances of 2022. Link is the only character who is hardcountered and has a hardcounter. Also leffen: complains about the fox marth matchup for several minutes after losing to Zain. Though very subjective (and just for fun) I've attempted to assign a difficulty and usefullness rating to every tech in this list. MSI 2023: All qualified League of Legends teams, Version1 win first NA VCT Game Changers tournament of 2023, The top 10 esports orgs in the world in 2023, VCT Americas will finally give North American VALORANT players a home crowd, Jacob Wolf wrote that Zain had ushered in a new era of competitive Melee, Golden Guardians new facility influenced by Warriors own new center. Vote for tiers. As a coding project I created a program that takes google form responses and turns them into a weighted and sorted matchup chart. It is mostly used when reading an opponent's attack, but it can also be used to edgeguard characters who have a hitbox and no invulnerability on their recovery. Ice Climbers, +15 10. Lead photo credit: Kenneth Rodriguez / @XenosMccloud. 1 ranking last summer. Marth believers love to say that Marth wins every MU in theory, but in practice even Zain can struggle in a number of those MUs. 16th overall. Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts! And maybe I've just not played many pikas, but I think plumbers beat pika 55-45 in plumbers favor. ITT : people butthurt about numbers they don't understand. The character matchup chart is a color-coded table detailing the approximate difficulty of all possible matches for any given character against any other character in Super Smash Bros. Melee based on two players of equal skill. Everybody except Fox and Falco are countered by atleast one character. I propose an amended chart where Pikachu/MK is -1, I propose an amended tier list where Pikachu/MK is -1, Anybody else craving McDonalds Breakfast? players, message me if you want to play. Therefore it is not necessarily the contemporary opinion of SSBM matchups this year; this is most apparent with characters such as. please get PGStats or someone to create a new community polled matchup chart. He said that iBDW has "really revamped the Fox/Marth matchup." Although he beat aMSa twice at the start of the year, aMSa beat Zain three straight times to end the year. 0 = Even. Most people don't have the patience to learn the spacing game with Puff. Zain Marth (1st seed) 3-1 iBDW Fox (9th seed) Hungrybox Jigglypuff (2nd seed) 3-0 Fiction Fox (7th seed) Hungrybox Jigglypuff (2nd seed) 3-0 Plup Fox (10th seed) Mang0 Falco (3rd seed) 3-1 aMSa Yoshi (6th seed) Leffen Fox (4th seed) 3-0 Bobby Big Ballz Falco (17th seed) Axe Pikachu (5th seed) 3-1 Bobby Big Ballz Falco (17th seed) And I still think it's 45-55. sheik vs marth 57 43 sheik. The chart is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_xvxJfPJkIn4icqJO2IF_TwSq9o4Kb5K-fICdFd8fAU/edit?usp=sharing Complaints, recommendations, corrections, questions, requests, all feedback is welcome! With Marth's superior range, his Neutral Aerial, Forward Aerial, and Down Tilt all allow him to safely deal damage to his opponents from a distance. I think 2022 I was very fixated and obsessed with claiming No. One matchup may be winning for a character at super high levels of play but even or losing at the level a pocket pick or secondary would play at. Hes also trying to take better care of his body so that hes at peak competitive form. That includes getting enough sleep, watching his diet and working out more, in particular cardio. future, and I look forward to improving. Sign up for the next Nerd Street tournament! go premium to hide all advertisements and this notice. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Since I've started learning Melee I've been training and practicing almost completely in isolation; But it would have like a really real effect.. When reporting a problem, please be as specific as possible in providing details such as what conditions the problem occurred under and what kind of effects it had. If you are able to hit an opponent with the tipper of Marth's forward smash, it deals incredible knockback, which can allow for very early KOs. Spike is underrated. both are easily exploitable. 13.0.1 Patch Notes and Balance Changes. 2. For me personally the greatest difficulty when I was first learning Melee was a lack of centralized and accessible resources. There are three ways to unlock Marth. Alternatively, this ad may have just failed to load. JavaScript is disabled. lol nothing's changed for captain falcon. Assuming the matchup numbers are accurate ofc. This combo can be used on opponents with lower percents. Sheik will definetly benefit more from a better dthrow than marth will from his spike overall. For other characters who are not shown here, we are still investigating the matchup. Matchup totals based on chart 1. If you land it, it will also allow you to regain some distance away from your opponent. Marth's dash attack has good reach and damage, but it is one of his slowest attacks, and has a ton of endlag. Can this be Monte Carlod into a tier list? Additionally, characters who have had more weaknesses exposed since then, such as Ganondorf, may have stronger spreads shown than what is accurate. Marth can combo sheik. Catch Zain live on Twitch! about Marth the resource that I wished existed when I was doing the same. This move has very quick startup, making it a good OoS option. At this point Zain can almost reliably kill of a single hit/grab from almost any percent and from almost any position and stage and there is basicly no risk for him going for these combos and getting fox of the stage basicly means certain death for fox. 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