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It prompted me to get up and check when my guns were made. Does anyone know where I could find the codes? Their cipher or mark was the letters G.P. In 1888 it was decided by a joint meeting of the Gunmakers Company and the Birmingham Guardians that a new supplementary proof for smokeless powder should be instituted in 1893, 1896, and 1904; the rules were further adjusted to allow for new powders. From left to right: year of manufacture, Gardone V.T. 36 Made in Italy". Navy Model Right side -- Black Powder Only -- Made In Italy Bottom flat -- "BFB" (manufacturer's mark) Caliber -- 36 (.380 round ball) My revolver has 'Made in Italy' on the barrel, and the Italian Gardone proof as well as the Italian proof that has a star surrounded by 8 lands and grooves above the letters PN both appear several places on the frame and cylinder. A voluminous schedule of rules and scales of charge for the proof of various kinds of small arms is in existence, and the proof is the same at London and at Birmingham; though different proof marks are employed. The flag is your country of origin and is that the Swiss flag? 0000078152 00000 n
BICBWmaybe a call to PIetta or Uberti would solve the mystery??
Senior Member . Inspectors WWII German Codes & Markings GUN MARKINGS Please enter the markings you want to research and click the submit button. 1858 New Army Revolvers. The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. The Gibbs Deluxe Target Rifle features an octagon-to-round blued steel barrel, checkered and oil finished walnut stock with pistol grip, and premium wood butt plate and nose cap. I wonder what the odds of a real Walker turning up in Switzerland are? This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. 0000071997 00000 n
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These guns will also have the "NP" mark. Proof I never saw it extended to 2030! Their health and their love.I love The people I have gotten to meet in sass and the ones that have just talked to on the wire.I do like to shoot and pick on people at the shoot.I love the hugs I get and the ones I will get when I meet some on you people. Black Powder only Cal. These small manufacturers started with supplying only parts and then evolved into completed guns. These 0000002659 00000 n
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Your gun appears to be made by one of the lesser known companies as it doesn't say Uberti or Pietta. Uberti Recommends. It is not clear to me when firearms by Italian manufacturers other than Beretta began to be marked with date codes - it may have been as late as 1954, with the Roman numeral X. Update: (This was originally posted in 2006.) 0000069587 00000 n
1970 = XXVI. 1851 Navy Engraved .44 Cal Nickel Black Powder Revolver. The fifth a crown, with three crossed spikes set over a capital E. Other French towns had their special marks, such as Prior to 1954, the year of proof was indicated in full Arabic numerals. The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. 22 0 obj
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AN ITALIAN .44 BLACK POWDER REVOLVER SERIAL NUMBER D50212. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Junior Member . manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a Serial Number: 12150. 0000002539 00000 n
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According to Col Robert Whittington in "The Colt Whitneyville-Walker Pistol", the fires Colt walkers were proofed with a "full charge" of fffg and a Bullet. Abbreviation and tradename for Early and Modern Firearms Corporation, a manufacturer and importer of black powder and cartridge arms in Studio City, California. 1851 Navy Black Powder Revolver Redi-Pak .44 Cal. 1990 = AZ. M855 Green Tip. (1977 and 1979) Now, if I had only had the presence of mind to write down that info when I finished the .36 cal brass framed pistol kit. Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. This is from a Deluxe engraved Pedersoli Le Page pistol, and all of the stampings are on the underside of the barrel. There were a good many very small family shops in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy like MOFRA and others. Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. 0000013830 00000 n
Some proved pieces exist, and are marked in the case of revolvers with the letters U.S., in the case of other arms with the letters V.P. 0000001540 00000 n
I cant seem to find the exact one any where. The hammer also wont engage the safety notches (too wide). PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. below are samples of Proof Marks of different countries. 0000008370 00000 n
Very unusual underhammer as the cocking knob is a better design so you can grasp it easier and. These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths guild and the mark of the State or city. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. Italian Date Codes. weapon. H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI
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Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. Feedback. Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. The Model 1851 Black Powder Revolver comes with a hammer rear sight and a fixed front sight. ix)]'Aa-;O;KGg
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Re: italian made .44 black powder revolver That's essentially a copy of a copy. examiner must rely on proof marks when trying to identify these My wife and grand kids and my kids. 0000012438 00000 n
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Single Action Presenta. Firearm Gardone & Brescia BP in 44 Cal Revolver Gardone and Brescia Italian Black Powder in 44 Cal Revolver; blued finish, brass frame and wood handle grips, 6.25" barrel, 13.5" overall length, six shot capacity, front fixed and rear grooved sights; barrel is marked w/ 'star over shield' and 'star over PN' proof marks (identifies Gardone & Brescia as armorer), MADE IN ITALY; frame is marked . Revolvers are marked on barrel, on the frame, and on each chamber. During the heyday of the reproductions, there was a great deal more sharing of parts among the Italian manufacturers than was ever suspected. 0000096938 00000 n
date, serial number and property marks as well as various acceptance and The gun is a good shooter but the hammer comes down solid on the nipples, enough that the hammer isn't fully down. referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire, Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date), This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm, http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/Italian_Proof_Date_Codes_1945_-_2030.pdf. Birmingham had also a proof, but this test was not obligatory, and makers evaded the tests. typically do not have a caliber designation; symbols and codes are used 0000000016 00000 n
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5% DISCOUNT ON ORDERS OVER 5000 ROUNDS!!! 1948 = 4. It has the standard Italian proof marks and date code (AD). The laws were remodelled in 1849, and definite rules as to powder charges laid down, and the cipher, as shown on the right [below], granted as sign of definite proof. Thanks, Claude. 0000050889 00000 n
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1945 = 1. Last edited: Feb 17, 2018. What you have there appears to be a model 1858 Remington New Army replica black powder revolver. The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. Some older foreign It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. 1967 = XXIII. 1989 = AU. Italian reproduction date markings Italian reproduction date markings By Brasspounder December 23, 2014 in SASS Wire Start new topic Brasspounder Members 321 Gender:Male Location:Fairbanks, Alaska Interests:Shooting old time blackpowder guns, landline telegraphy, railroads SASS# 9076 Golden Heart Shootist Society, Fairbanks, Alaska :hatsoff: That is exactly the table that I was looking for. SPANISH PROOF MARKS PROOF MARKS: SPANISH PROOF MARKS, cont.PROOF MARK CIRCA . Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". 1810 - 1853. 0000004008 00000 n
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Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. In stock. The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. The two upper case letters or roman numerals in a box is the code for the year the firearm was proofed. That mark is the Italian proof mark for black powder, thus your gun is or Italian origin. The Standard mark for French Government arms was a crown above an E., and this crown has a three looped top, with the orb or ball and cross as ornament, and is so distinguished from the cross-crested crown of some St. Etienne weapons. I have searched for this site but can't find it. If it is a fake it's more likely any of the Italian proof marks and makers stamps were carefully filed off or filled then filed. Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. SOLD FOR: $1175. 0000000016 00000 n
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THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. Crown CP (final black powder proof for the smooth bored muzzle loader barrels. The well known manufacturers did not want their name and reputation on a cheaper firearm, so these were sub-contracted out. These firearms You are using an out of date browser. Price: $380.00. Location: High & Dry . 0000015377 00000 n
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As for value comes with box and back powder flask. Model: Reproduction LeMat Army Revolver. Join Date: August 15, 2012. Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a manufacturing date of 1999, then the gun's serial number, a dp oval manufacturer's mark, as well as the PEDERSOLI name, pistol caliber and notification that the gun is for black powder only. The first cipher is the crossed branches surmounted by a crown, and with a cross or star in the three other angles. The second is the crossed branches, with the letters A.E. The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. Beretta used no date code in 1944. 0000014256 00000 n
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